Here is a round-up of all the popular 25.5×25.5mm flight controllers for whoop and toothpick FPV drones. I will compare their specs and features to help you decide which AIO FC is best for your next build.
Table of Contents
Whoop and Toothpick Flight Controllers Table
Here is a spreadsheet with all the flight controllers and specs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13MD4KUu01xPUAkwOWYkVkqEetl-WdvP52uYPpxWPawo/
Here’s a summary of the boards:
| Brand | Product Page | Type | Voltage | ESC Rating | Weight (g) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Aikon | Aikon F7 AIO | T | 3-6S | 60A (70A) | 14g |
| AuroraRC | F411 AIO Pro 25A | T | 2-6S | 25A | 7.30g |
| AuroraRC | F411 AIO Pro 35A | T | 2-6S | 35A | 7.30g |
| BetaFPV | F4 AIO 1S | W | 1S | 5A (6A) | 3.90g |
| BetaFPV | F405 V3 12A | W | 2-4S | 12A (13A) | 5.30g |
| BetaFPV | F405 V3 20A | W | 2-4S | 20A (22A) | 5.30g |
| BetaFPV | F405 V4 | T | 2-4S | 20A (22A) | 5.8g |
| BetaFPV | F722 | T | 2-6S | 35A (40A) | 7.1g |
| BetaFPV | F4 1S 12A AIOF4 1S 12A AIO | T | 1S | 12A (25A) | 4.7g |
| CI Racing | F7 Whoop AIO V2 | T | 2-6S | 35A | 8.1g |
| Diatone | Mamba F411 AIO | T | 4S | 25A (30A) | 7.0g |
| Flywoo | GOKU GN F413 V2 | T | 2-4S | 13A (15A) | 6.0g |
| Flywoo | GOKU GN F745 | T | 2-6S | 40A | 8.50g |
| GEPRC | GEP-12A-F4 | W | 2-4S | 12A | 5.60g |
| Happymodel | Crazybee F4 Pro V2.0 | W | 1-3S | 5A (6A) | 4.30g |
| Happymodel | Crazybee F4 Pro V3 | W | 2-4S | 10A (12A) | 4.30 |
| Happymodel | Crazybee X | W | 1-2S | 5A (6A) | 5.20g |
| Happymodel | CrazyF411 | T | 2-4S | 20A (25A) | 6.30g |
| Happymodel | DiamondF4 FR | W | 1S | 5A | |
| Happymodel | F4 2G4 ELRS | W | 1S | 5A (6A) | 4.9g |
| Happymodel | F4 900MHz ELRS | W | 1S | 5A (6A) | 4.9g |
| Happymodel | X12 AIO | W | 1-2S | 12A (15A) | 5.1g |
| Happymodel | DiamondF4 AIO | W | 1S | 5A (6A) | 3.4g |
| HGLRC | Zeurs 25 | T | 3-6S | 25A (30A) | 8.20g |
| HGLRC | Zeus 13 | T | 2-6S | 13A (15A) | 7.90g |
| HGLRC | Zeus 5 | W | 1-2S | 5A | 4.20g |
| HIFIONRC | F7 25A | T | 2-6S | 25A | 7.8g |
| HIFIONRC | F7 45A | T | 2-6S | 45A | 7.8g |
| iFlight | Beast F7 | T | 2-6S | 45A (50A) | 8.50g |
| iFlight | Beast H7 | T | 2-6S | 55A (60A) | 8.80g |
| iFlight | SucceX F4 1S | W | 1S | 5A (6A) | 5.40g |
| iFlight | SucceX F4 2S-4S | W | 2-4S | 12A | 6.10g |
| iFlight | SucceX-D F4 | W | 2-5S | 20A (25A) | |
| iFlight | iFlight BLITZ F411 1S 5A AIO | W | 1S | 5A (6A) | 4.8g |
| JHEMCU | AIO F405 PRO 25A | T | 3-6S | 25A | 7.10g |
| JHEMCU | AIO F405 PRO 45A | T | 3-6S | 45A | 7.10g |
| JHEMCU | GHF405 25A | T | 3-6S | 25A | 7.20g |
| JHEMCU | GHF405 35A | T | 3-6S | 35A | 7.20g |
| JHEMCU | GHF411 Pro 25A | T | 3-6S | 25A | 7.40g |
| JHEMCU | GHF411 Pro 35A | T | 3-6S | 35A | 7.40g |
| JHEMCU | Play F4 | W | 1-2S | 5A (7A) | 3.00g |
| NamelessRC | AIO412T | T | 2-4S | 12A (15A) | 4.60g |
| Skystars | KARMAM F411 | W | 2-4S | 15A | 5.20g |
| SPCMaker | F411 20A | W | 2-4S | 20A (40A) | 6.80g |
| SPCMaker | F411 25A | W | 2-4S | 25A (40A) | 7.00g |
| SPCMaker | F411 30A | T | 2-6S | 30A (40A) | 7.8g |
| URUAV | F405 | W | 2-4S | 20A (22A) | 6.20g |
| FPVCycle | 1S AIO | T | 1S | 9A (10A+) | 3.00g |
| DarwinFPV | F411 1-3S 15A | T | 1-3S | 15A (17A) | |
| Eachine | AIO Superbee F4 | W | 1-2S | 5A (6A) | 2.8g |
| Newbeedrone | HummingBird F4 Pro | W | 1S | 12A | 3.8g |
If your spot any missing FC, or you are the manufacturer who want to have your product listed here, feel free to let me know.
What’s a Whoop FC?
Whoop flight controller has a 25.5×25.5mm mounting pattern.
They all have ESC, FC, OSD integrated in the same board which is also known as AIO FC.
Some of these boards even have integrated radio receiver as well as VTX, which is ideal for those who want to save an extra couple of grams.
They are intended to be rotated 45 degrees when mounting in the frame.
What’s a Toothpick FC?
Toothpick is a type of ultralight FPV drone, they have skinny arms that look like toothpicks hence the name.
Whoop style FC has been around for years, and they were “borrowed” in Toothpick builds for their compactness. But manufacturers have been refining and tailored a specific type of FC just for the toothpick builds.
Toothpick style FC has the exact same mounting pattern (25.5×25.5mm) as whoop FC, but they are typically slightly wider to accommodate for the extra solder pads. Motor connectors are generally avoided due to theirs higher resistance, though it’s not an issue for the lower performance whoops.
They also have more powerful ESC, with certain AIO board supporting 6S up to 55A.
The USB connectors are usually oriented horizontally, instead of pointing downward which is commonly done in tiny whoops.
Mounting Pattern
The real mounting pattern should be 1 inch (25.4mm).
But due to the lack of standard, you may see 25.5mm, 26.0mm or even 26.5mm from different manufacturers. The difference is small and so it shouldn’t cause problems when mounting in frames as far as I know, but it’s a good idea to stick with 25.5mm to avoid surprises.
Choosing the right FC for your build
Some of these whoop-style FC are designed for very specific purposes. Ask yourself these questions will help you filter the options down to a handful which makes it easier to decide.
- Is it designed for whoops or toothpick frames? Some FC are designed specifically for toothpicks and tricky to fit in whoop frames
- What LiPo voltage does it support?
- ESC current rating
- Motor connections – direct solder or “plug and play”
- Integrated receiver and VTX
- Extra UART for things like DJI Air Unit / Vista, GPS etc.
Here I will talk about some of the most interesting and iconic flight controllers.
Happymodel X12 AIO 5in1 ELRS FC V2.0
They didn’t sell this FC separately unless you get the Mobula6 or Mobula7. Now you can get this FC separate to upgrade your existing whoop or as replacement.
Product Page
- BG: https://oscarliang.com/product-rlwt
- AE: https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_9vIsaF
- GF: https://oscarliang.com/product-x6m8
- MF: https://oscarliang.com/product-hld0
Specifications
Flight Controller
- Betaflight firmware target: CRAZYBEEF4SX1280
- MCU: STM32F411CEU6 (100MHZ, 512K FLASH)
- Gyro: ICM20689
- Input voltage: 1-2S LiPo/LiHV (DC 2.9V-8.7V)
- Built-in ExpressLRS 2.4G Receiver
- Built-in 5.8G OpenVTX 400mW
- VTX antenna: U.FL
- Built-in 12A (each motor output) 4in1 ESC
- Built-in Betaflight OSD
- Built-in voltage meter sensor , voltage meter scale 110
- Built-in current meter sensor , current meter scale 470
- Size: 30x30x8mm
- Mount hole size: 25.5mm*25.5mm
- Weight: 5.1g
Onboard 4-in-1 ESC
- Factory firmware: BLHeli_S firmware, Z_H_30_REV16_7.HEX
- Support Bluejay firmware (When use 48khz, should set startup power to 1100/1200）
- Current: 12A continuous peak 15A (3 seconds)
Happymodel DiamondF4 AIO with OpenVTX (ELRS / Frsky)
This FC is in the new model MoBeetle6. This is exciting for those who want to build a tiny whoop with ExpresLRS built-in. Problem with SPI receiver is, in order to update ExpressLRS you have to update Betaflight. The upside is it doesn’t take up an UART and it’s more compact.
Product Page
- BG: https://oscarliang.com/product-gwx5
- AE: https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_9IVsL9
- GF: https://oscarliang.com/product-j04a
- MF: https://oscarliang.com/product-ik3h
Specifications
Flight controller
- Firmware target: CrazybeeF4FR (Frsky version)
- Firmware target: CrazybeeF4SX1280 (ELRS version)
- MCU:STM32F411CEU6 (100MHZ, 512K FLASH)
- Gyro: MPU6000
- Power supply: 1S battery input (DC 2.9V-4.35V)
- Built-in 5A(each) Blheli_S 4in1 ESC
- Built-in Betaflight OSD(SPI Control)
- Built-in 5.8G 400mW VTX
- Built-in SPI Frsky/Flysky receiver
- Built-in 5V 1A BEC
- Weight: 3.42g
Onboard 4in1 ESC
- MCU upgraded to EFM8BB21
- Power supply: 1S LiPo/LiPo HVCurrent: 5A continuous peak 6A (3 seconds)
- Support BLHeliSuite programmable
- Factory firmware: O_H_5_REV16_8.HEX
- Default protocol: DSHOT600
- Onboard Frsky SPI D8 Receiver Version
Happymodel CrazyF4 ELRS AIO 2.4GHz 900MHz
Product Page
2.4GHz:
900MHz:
The Happymodel CrazyF4 ELRS flight controllers have ExpressLRS radio receiver built into them, and it gives you crazy good range and high update rate for smooth control feel.
2.4GHz version has a super tiny and compact ceramic antenna built on top of the PCB while the 900MHz version needs an external antenna attached.
Both FC have integrated 25mW – 200mW VTX.
FC Specifications
- MCU:STM32F411CEU6 (100MHZ, 512K FLASH)
- Gyro: MPU-6000 (SPI connection)
- Typical whoop board size 25.5×25.5mm
- Power supply: 1S battery input (DC 2.9V-4.35V)
- Built-in Betaflight OSD (SPI Control)
- Built-in 5.8G VTX
- Built-in Serial-based ExpressLRS receiver (2.4GHz / 915MHz / 868MHz optional)
- Built-in 5V 1A BEC
- Flight controller firmware target: 900MHz – CRAZYBEEF4DX / 2.4GHz – CRAZYBEEF4SX1280
ESC Specifications
- ESC MCU: EFM8BB21
- 5A ESC (each motor) – BLHeli_S Supports DShot600
- Power supply: 1S LiPo/LiPo HVCurrent: 5A continuous peak 6A (3 seconds)
- Factory firmware: O_H_5_REV16_8.HEX
VTX Specs
- Output power: 25mw, 200mw switchable
- Frequency: 40CH
- Input voltage: 3.3V-5.5V
- Current consumption: 300mA(type)
- Frequency: 5.8GHz 5bands 40 channels(include Race band)
- Smartaudio ready
Aikon F7 AIO
- TBD
So far (May 2022) the most powerful AIO FC with integrated ESC – 60A per motor output (70A burst). In addition, the Aikon F7 AIO FC features 5 UARTS, 16MB flash memory for blackbox. The gyro is the BMI270.
Specifications:
- Betaflight Firmware Target: AIKONF7
- MCU: STM32F722
- Gyro: BMI270
- 5 UARTS
- 16MB Flash memory for Blackbox
- ESC Firmware: BLHeli_S (Supports BlueJay)
- ESC Constant Current: 60A (70A burst)
- Current Sensor Scale: 400
- Battery: 3-6s
- Mount Holes: 25.5*25.5mm
- Weight: 14g
iFlight BLITZ F411 1S 5A AIO
- Banggood: https://oscarliang.com/product-vnyq
The Blitz F411 1S 5A flight controller from iFlight is designed for tiny whoop. It has integrated VTX and radio receiver. There are two radio receiver options: ELRS or FrSky D8. The ELRS version has on board ceramic tower antenna. VTX power output is 25/50mW. The total weight of the board is 4.4g (w/o VTX antenna).
Flight controller
- Betaflight Firmware target: IFLIGHT_BLITZ_F411RX
- Voltage input: 1S
- MCU: STM32F411
- Gyro: BMI270
- Built-in Betaflight OSDBlack
- Box: NO
- BEC: 5V 500mA
- External dimensions: 29*29mm
- Built-in VTX (50mW), supports SmartAudio
- Hole size: 25.5*25.5mm/φ3-half hole
- Weight: 4.4-4.8g
ESC：
- Firmware: BLHeli-S 16.8
- Target: O-H-30
- Current: 5A (6A Burst)
- Current sensor scale: 400
BetaFPV F4 1S AIO
Product Page:
- GetFPV: https://oscarliang.com/product-ag58
- BetaFPV: https://oscarliang.com/product-z4no
This FC is a standard FC for a 1S 65mm Tiny Whoop. Its relatively cheap, comes with all the features that you would expect from something at this price range and has a Frsky integrated RX as well as a 25mW VTX. It’s a very convenient and low profile FC to use if you care about weight and space.
FPVCycle 1S AIO
Product Page: https://fpvcycle.com/collections/new-products/products/fpvcycle-1s-aio-with-tbs-crossfire-tbs-pro32-nano-vtx
This board from FPVCycle is specifically designed to for whoop and the legendary BabyTooth style 1S builds. Good luck getting it though, always out of stock.
Specs:
- 1S LiPo
- ESC: 9A
- Direct solder motor pads
- F4 MCU preloaded with BF 4.1
- BF Target: FPVCYCLEF401
- Weight: 3g
- 1mm thick PCB
Crazybee F4 Pro V3
Product Page: http://bit.ly/crazybee-f4-v3
Crazybee F4 Pro used to be an affordable board, but the latest V3 board requests a premium but does have its reasons. This is the latest and greatest for the micro brushless quadcopters offering an integrated RX for both DSMX and Frsky, a clean layout in a relatively light product.
It offers 2S-4S battery compatibility as well as standard whoop mounting, allowing for a wide range of uses in a variety of different sized and style micro quadcopters. If you are able to stretch the budget to this FC, this would be a very good choice.
Here is a detail overview of this FC, and all the changes since V1.
BetaFPV F4 AIO 2-4S V3 (12A / 20A)
Product Page
Although this board has 26x26mm mounting so it could be put on a 65mm frame, it seems that this board is designed exclusively for 75mm, 85mm and 95mm style whoop frames. The higher voltage support up to 4S LiPo would be better suited with lower KV motors and larger propellers, so you would be able to get all of the performance out of this board.
Be aware this board does not come with integrated RX, therefore you would need to connect your own. When it comes to brushless whoops, the added weight of an external RX doesn’t have such a negative effect as their brushed counterpart. Brushless motors provide more propulsion, so having to add an RX won’t be much of an issue – especially with the extra room that a 75mm tiny whoop frame would provide.
BetaFPV F405 2-4S AIO Toothpick FC
Product Page
UART3 for Rx, UART4 for DJI, UART6 for SmartAudio and the Spare UART1. Come with 2 integrated Plug & Play Ports for both digital VTX and Rx, less solder work needed, easy to install.
FC Specs
- CPU: STM32F405RGT6
- Six-Axis: MPU6000
- Size: 26mm x 26mm, whoop mounting pattern
- Firmware version: Batefight-BETAFPV405-4.2.X
- OSD: Built-in BetaFlight OSD (STM32 controls OSD chip over SPI in DMA mode)
- Receiver: Support Frsky XM/XM+ Receiver/ Futaba Receiver/ Flysky Receiver/ TBS Crossfire Receiver/DSMX Receiver
- Connecter: XT30, it also can be changed to XT60 if pilots needs.
- Weight: 5.76g
ESC Specs
- Support PWM, Oneshot125, Oneshot42, Multishot, Dshot150, Dshot300，Dshot600
- Input voltage: 2S-4S Lipo
- Continuous current: 20A
- Peak current: 22A
- Firmware: BLHELI-32
GEPRC GEP12A-F4 V1.1
Product Page: http://bit.ly/33r3fXm
The GEPRC FC looks like a contender for the Crazybee F4 Pro V3 as it also accepts 2-4S. All of its features are similar except it doesn’t offer any integrated RX support, which shouldn’t be too much of an issue on something that can carry the added weight.
This downside is offset by its cheaper price coming in at £33.46 compared to the Crazybee’s premium price of £40. Both boards appear to be a very good choice, so it’s up to you to decide if you want an integrated FC or not.
HGLRC Zeus13 AIO FC
Product Page: https://oscarliang.com/product-npm3
FC Specs
- FC Firmware:BF ZEUSF722_AIO(HGLR)
- CPU: STM32F722
- MPU: MPU6000
- OSD: Support
- LED: Support
- BEC: 10V/1A
- BEC: 5V/2A
- Blackbox: 8MB
- UARTS: 5
- Input Voltage: 3-6S Lipo
- Size: 32.5×32.5mm
- Mounting Hole: 25.5×25.5mm, M2
- Weight: 7.9g
ESC Specs
- Current Sensor: NO
- Constant Current: 13A
- Peak Current: 15A (5S)
BetaFPV F405 2-6S AIO Toothpick FC
Product Page
- BetaFPV: https://oscarliang.com/product-igz1
- GetFPV: https://oscarliang.com/product-go3a
F722 AIO 35A FC has specially added a 6-pin connector for DJI Digital VTX, just plug & play, less solder work needed. 6 full UARTs are available on this board.
FC Specs
- Item: F722 35A AIO FC(BLHeli_S)
- Weight: 7.06g
- CPU: STM32F722RET6
- Six-Axis: MPU6000 (SPI connection)
- Mounting hole size: 26mm * 26mm
- Firmware version: betaflight_4.2.x_BETAFPVF722
- OSD: Built-in BetaFlight OSD (OSD chip: AT7456E)
- Support programmable LED like WS2812 etc
- Built-in current sensor
ESC Specs
- Signal support: PWM, Oneshot125, Oneshot42, Multishot, Dshot150, Dshot300, Dshot600
- Receiver: Support Frsky XM/XM+ Receiver/ Futaba Receiver/Flysky Receiver/DSMX Receiver/TBS Crossfire Receiver (requires external connection)
- Input voltage: 2S-6S Lipo
- Continuous current: 35A
- Peak current: 40A
- ESC firmware: BLHeli_S
- Indicators: 2 indicators: receiver indicator (green)/Flight control power indicator (red)
- Capacitance: CS|5*10*13mm|470μF|35V
- Connecter: 80mm 14AWG silicone cable with XT60
- Recommended motors: 14XX series, 15XX series, 16XX series, 18XX series, 20XX series
JHEMCU AIO F405 PRO 3-6S
Product Page
- 25A Version: https://oscarliang.com/product-duwc
- 45A Version: https://oscarliang.com/product-laa0
FC Specs
- CPU: STM32F405
- Gyro: MPU6000 (SPI)
- Blackbox: support
- Barometer: Support
- OSD: Support
- IIC: Support
- UART: UART1 for receiver, UART6 for DJI / IRC / SmartAudio
- BEC: 5V/2.5A and 10V/2A
- Reserved plug for DJI Air Unit
- Support buzzer and RGB LED
- Built-in voltage and current sensors
- Built-in WIFI for SpeedyBee APP
- Weight: 7.1 gram
- Size: 33* 33mm (25.5mm mounting hole)
ESC Specs
- Support PWM, Oneshot125, Oneshot42, Multishot, Dshot150, Dshot300, Dshot600
- Input voltage: 3S-6S Lipo
- Firmware: BLHELI_S G_H_30_REV16_7.HEX
- Current ( two versions): 25A or 45A
iFlight Beast F7 H7 AIO
Product Page
- F7 / 45A: https://oscarliang.com/product-aoq9
- H7 / 55A: https://oscarliang.com/product-2svb
The iFlight Beast AIO flight controller has two versions, the F7 and H7, they have similar specs with a few differences. The H7 is a faster processor and hence more future proof. But as for now there is little to none advantage of using the faster H7 MCU. Also, the H7 has more powerful MOSFET and higher current rating at 55A. Therefore the H7 is $20 more expensive than the F7. Both FC is powerful enough to be used on 5″ freestyle FPV drones.
Beast H7 Specs
Features
Vista digital system Plug-and-Play (VBat passthrough)
MCU: BGA-STM32H743 , 480MHz
OSD: AT7456E
Gyro: MPU6000
Blackbox: 16Mb Onboard Flash
BEC output: 5V 2.5A
Barometer: DPS310 (only works with Betaflight 4.3.0 and above)
Specifications
Beast H7 Flight Controller
MCU: BGA-STM32H743
Gyro: MPU6000
Blackbox: 16Mb Onboard Flash
BEC output: 5V 2.5A
Barometer: DPS310 (only works with Betaflight 4.3.0 and above)
Micro-USB
OSD: AT7456E
Uart:5 (UART1、UART2、UART3、UART4、UART7)
FC Firmware：IFLIGHT_H743_AIO
Mounting pattern: 25.5*25.5mm φ3mm
Dimensions: 32.5*32.5mm
Weight: 8.8g
Beast 55A 2-6S 4in1 ESC
Uarts: 5
Current Sensor: Yes
Input: 2-6S LIPO
Current scale: 200
Constant: 55A / Burst: 60A
BLHeli: BLHeli-S
Telemetry: no
ESC Firmware: BlheliS G-H-30
Mounting pattern: 25.5*25.5mm/Φ3mm
Dimensions: 32.5*32.5mm
Beast F7 Specs
Top Features:
Vista digital system Plug-and-Play (VBAT passthrough)
MCU: BGA-STM32F745, 216MHz
OSD: AT7456E
Gyro: MPU6000
Blackbox: 8Mb Onboard Flash
BEC output: 5V 2.5A
Barometer: BMP280
Specifications
Beast F7 Flight Controller
MCU: BGA-STM32F745
Gyro: MPU6000
Blackbox: 8Mb Onboard Flash
BEC output: 5V 2.5A
Barometer: BMP280
Connector: Micro-USB
OSD: AT7456E
FC Firmware：IFLIGHT_F745_AIO
Mounting pattern: 25.5*25.5mm φ3mm
Dimensions: 32.5*32.5mm
Weight: 8.5g
Beast 45A 2-6S 4in1 ESC
Uarts: 5
Current Sensor: Yes
Input: 2-6S LIPO
Current scale: 200
Constant: 45A / Burst: 50A
BLHeli: BLHeli-S
Telemetry: no
ESC Firmware: BlheliS G-H-30
Mounting pattern: 25.5*25.5mm/Φ3mm
Dimensions: 32.5*32.5mm
Edit History
- Nov 2016 – Article created
- Aug 2017 – Added 2 new brushed FC
- Aug 2019 – Updated all brushed FC options and added section for brushless FC
- Jun 2021 – Updated whole article and product listing. Main focus shifted to brushless FC, removed brushed FC section
- May 2022 – Added Happymodel X12 AIO 5in1, DiamondF4 ELRS, Aikon F7 AIO, iFlight BLITZ F4411 1S 5A AIO
47 comments
One you could add to the list here is the BetaFPV F4 AIO ELRS 1S 5A V2 FC. Thid is similar to the Happymodel CrossF4 in features and shape (a cross). It is light, has serial as opposed to SPI ELRS thus decoupling ELRS code from Betaflight, comes with and without motor connectors. Doesn’t have a buzzer, but does have 8MB logger memory.
It’s a very well specified board for a whoop. However, I have had reliability issues (three out of four have failed). Not clear why. Maybe I’ve been unlucky, maybe not. I added some comments on this to your review of the V1 board (which doesn’t have serial ELRS) – see https://oscarliang.com/betafpv-elrs-f4-1s-5a-aio-fc/.
I know you & your audience is primarily flashing betaflight but I was hoping to build a micro for Inav with a few parts as possible (it’s a micro!) Was hoping you’d cite FC’s available targets as well. Specifically I was looking for an AIO that I could load INAV to that had both a Baro & a ELRS. A pretty tall order, I know- but that’s how I ended up at this page.
Hi, Oscar! You make a very good job for the community, thanks!
My question is: I have an old Bugs B3 pro, without main board, laying around. 1800kv motors and 12amps escs are perfectly working. Can I use an AIO like Jhencu GHF411AIO, in it? Specs says it have a 40Amps esc, theoretically can handle with the 1800kv motors. Am I wrong? Thanks in advance!
If it had 12A ESC before and it worked fine, then 40A ESC would be more than sufficient, in that case, yes, it should work.
Hi oscar, nice to meet you. I have a Board Whoop lite brushed 1s. can elrs be installed?
and how?
Thank you in advance
If there’s a spare UART available, then yes.
Hi!!
Wonderful article.
I think there is a typo at item “14.-BetaFPV F405 2-6S AIO Toothpick FC”
Title points to 405, while you are describing “F722”.
Regards
Juanma Granja
Ive been working on a 40mm prop, 65mm wheelbase whoop and thought i had it all sorted then i picked up that the EACHINE board isnt 25.5 x 25.5mm..
its 28.5 x 28.5mm… which means my model needs to be redone, and it probably can only be achieved using inverted ducts. i do want to point out that the board is 28.5 x 28.5mm, which is really important as it means that the UZ frame isnt compatible with many others also.
although i see blackbox in specs, it would be nice to have blackbox in the table.
What’s the difference in iflight’s H7 beast version 1 versus version 2. Is it just that with version to the use of jesc firmware is stable? Is version 1 flyable with the stock firmware?
CL Racing F7 Whoop AIO V3
Do you see a solution to fix a external Buzzer on that FC? How about with a UART?
Thanks Oscar for what you do on this site !
Also, just to let you know tat BetaFPV released a 1S 12A Toothpick AIO :betafpv.com/products/f4-1s-12a-flight-controller
Thank you, FC added to the list now.
FYI . The Diamond F4 weights 2.94 g
Just to tell people that I was one the unlucky bastards out there. Both of my 1S FCs burned in flight and after 5-10 flights. My JHEMCU
25a had an issue and never got recognized by my pc. Finally I’ve had soooo many crazybee F3 having the 5v regulator Breaking that I’m ashamed to say it…
I actually have an old box with old dead FC’s.
Lastly very happy to report that the JEHMCU play f4 1-2S is still working 1 year after buying it. Best one but also likely pure luck ?
Gosh I meant to say the betafpv 1S… Apologies!
I have to agree, on the BetaFpv AIO i received with the Tiny Trainer kit, 2 fc’s died on me. On the inital piece that came w the kit, there was an power issue. GetFPV sent yet another, all was good until i connected to BLheli32, changed direction of one motor, then 3 escs blew.
3rd FC to be delivered this week, im not hopeful. So i ordered a JHEMCU GJF11 Pro, which i have on another quad, in addition. I plan to not install the BetaFPV board or maybe keep it for a later build. Too much of a bitter taste left!
Don’t forget NBD Hummingbird f4 pro. It’s pretty unique.
How did I miss that one? :D thank you!
There is also one from Darwin now. pyrodrone.com/collections/whoop-style-aio-flight-controllers/products/darwinfpv-15a-1-3s-f411-ultralight-whoop-aio
Thanks will add to the list.
i would avoid the hglrc zeus boards
i’ve had two in a row with cold solder joints
Agree – 2 fails for me. I was able return one that rebooted continuously. The other had a gyro fail after a few flights. Won’t buy any more of these.
So I’m not big into the OSD thing, and my DockKing has a basic one built in. So if I am not worried about updating that or other features, can I still configure F3 on and older version of BF, like 3.5 or even 4.0? Basically it’s just my goofing off around the house whoops, that I let friends and family fly, so as long as I don’t update the firmware, can I still go in and tweak things?
Why not? Just because you thought they’d lose popularity? No doubt brushless Micros and toothpicks are fun to fly and all the rage, but what about intermediate skilled fpilots, or kids/seniors or anyone that doesn’t feel the need to go balls out when they fly. Maybe they are happy flying indoors, or they live somewhere with crappy weather or they’re disabled and it’s hard for them to go outside. Think man, think.
Could you please recommend me a brushless FC with i2c or with barometric sensor? Or should I use some bigger FC? I would like to build 1-2S brushless FPV tiny whoop with altitude hold (since it is for children with no experience, but we need to fly them outdoors) I have several Emax tiny hawks, but without the altitude hold its too compicated for them to use it. Since I am unable to find rxtx barometric sensor to add to tinyhawk, I would like to build something in betafpv 75.
Love your site! I think you misspoke here and intended to say this about brushless:
“Brushed motors provide more propulsion, so having to add an RX won’t be much of an issue – especially with the extra room that a 75mm tiny whoop frame would provide.”
Keep up the great work!
The Ailenwhoop Zero and Beecore Lite boards can be tuned, just not using Betaflight. They run a firmware called Silverware, which was originally made to allow toy quads, such as the E011, to fly acro. There are a few tutorials online. These boards are flashed the same way. I am not sure about the stock settings on those boards, but you may be able to tune the PIDs using stick gestures, as seen here – sirdomsen.diskstation.me/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=pidgesture.
I wrote an Eachine E011 firmware upgrade tutorial – instructables.com/id/Eachine-E011-Mods-Cheap-Tiny-Whoop/. This is my first acro quad, and I think it would make a great first whoop, especially for $20.
You killed it as always! You are the best!
If you check alienwhoops v2 page, it weighs 3.5g
Why still invest in a tiny whoop when there are so much good micro brushless quads? My King Kong GT90 performance better in every single way and it costs 2/3 of the price of a thiny whoop. Sry dude, but the end of the tiny whoop era is near….. ;-)
How easy is it to fit a frsky reciever to your King Kong GT90?
Whoops fly really smooth indoors, whipping around the house, between chair legs, etc. They’re really quiet, nearly indestructible, don’t hurt when they hit someone, and they’re TINY. Brushless micro quads are fine, but more power and more speed isn’t always better. Whoops are a lot of fun. Sry dude, but the end of the tiny whoop era is nowhere in sight.
Sry Dude, tiny whoops thrive 1.5 years later. 255g mean anything? One local “hot shot’ “star” “ace” lost an eye flying into his own face. Sry I laughed. Thanks to “dudes” like this, the FCC is getting prepared to shut it down. We need better than clown farts to defend the hoppy. Idiots ruin so much.
Hey everyone! A quick question. I’ve modified the heck out of my inductrix and the latest mod, to get more flight time, was trimming my props to two blades. It increased flight time by 1 minute, which was great, but now it oscillates like a paint mixer. Will one of these fc’s help me fix this issue? Someone mentioned on YouTube that it’s the p factor causing the oscillation, especially since I have 17k motors, and that you can tune the board to compensate. Which boards are the most user friendly for tuning and do you think this will work? Thanks in advance!
The Acro-woop is bad ass. I didn’t notice the weight difference. I did notice the board looks complicated as hell when compared to the BeeBrain. The receiver is also a add on board. The thing seems to suck an incredible amount of juice. I’m not sure the telemetry info is worth it to me. I have definitely experienced decreased flight time. So far the bee brain has been the best option for me
Hey do you know how much you lost? I switched to the acrowhoop and dropped like 2 min.
Theres also the boldclash queen spr f3 brushed flight control with built in frsky for only under $20.
Thinking of using the Beecore, but what’s the best way to monitor the cell voltage?
I got the beecore and built my tiny whoop. And I loved it it was great I loved flying around I had about 10 flights on it. Then all of a sudden anytime I plugged in the battery the motors just kept spinning up it didn’t matter if the transmitter was turned on or off armed or unarmed any kind of power going to it and the motors would just spend up. I can’t seem to get it to stop which means currently it’s not flyable. What can I try to get this thing back on the air? I’ve already gone back through the rebinding process and even reset the board but nothing seems to work. Am I doing something wrong or do I have a bad board?
Blown FETS. Bad board now.
Great overview, I am looking into getting another FC for my tiny whoop.
I am seeing that all FC’s wont work with a EU version of Taranis, what options does someone with an EU Taranis have, without stating the obvious (flashing my Taranis with non EU firmware).
Technically that’s not all the options — There’s the Makerfire – amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B01M72IXMU and This one supposedly fits and is very cheap gearbest.com/multi-rotor-parts/pp_590130.html?wid=21 maybe others?
How can I connect a Bee Core DSM FC to Beta Flight and get it to bind to my Skektrum DX6i TX?
Did you manage to add a spektrum DSMX satellite ?
The BeeBrain works great in an E010 frame, with full access to the USB port with just a tiny bit of trimming. Simply trim the battery tray front stop so that a battery can slide in from either direction, then install the BeeBrain rotated 180 degrees so that the front of the frame is now the back. The USB port may still contact one of the top braces on the battery tray, but that won’t prevent a USB connector from going in… and a few swipes with a needle file will fix even that:
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that’s good to know!